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Breakthrough Bible Study Group

We are seeking a special Group of people who will be willing to study this Bible along side of their own and share with us, as well as publicly on Amazon and elsewhere, what they learn from this comparison

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Day Seven Why Abraham was Blessed

Started by Phred St Laurent. Last reply by Gail Hollingsworth Jun 13, 2016. 10 Replies

Day SevenWhy Abraham was BlessedRomans 4:1-24Not from the Good Things He Did (1-8)Abraham was right and was considered by God to be right. How did this happen? Was it from the good things he did? No.God could have said that the people who do good are justified (considered to be right). He could have said that everyone who climbs up the outside of the Empire State building to the top will be the right people. Then everyone who made it to the top could brag about what they had done. Few would…Continue

Day Six God's Way is Right

Started by Phred St Laurent. Last reply by Gail Hollingsworth Mar 22, 2016. 7 Replies

Day SixGod's Way is RightRomans 3:21-31 If we want to find God's way, we must step away from the law. The law is not going to help. Put it down.Is it down? OK, bring the Anointed King in. He wants to deal with each person individually. He wants to put God's laws in our hearts and write them in our minds (Hebrews 10:16). Trust Him.God's way is that we should trust the Anointed King. The Old Testament foretold this. He is much greater than us. He can rescue us. Trust Him and follow His ways. When…Continue

Day Five God's Way - Not in Being a Jew

Started by Phred St Laurent. Last reply by Gail Hollingsworth Mar 22, 2016. 8 Replies

Day FiveGod's Way - Not in Being a JewRomans 3:1-9 There are advantages to being a Jew, but Jews also rebel against God. Jews do not define what God's way is. God does. Jews are not better than anyone else.We might say the same thing about Christians. Just because we call ourselves Christians does not make us better than anyone else. Christians also sin. God's way is not about who you are. Read Romans 3:1-9 in your Bible and then in the Breakthrough Version. Translation Note (v2): oracles =…Continue

Day Four God's Way - Not in Religious Rites

Started by Phred St Laurent. Last reply by Gail Hollingsworth Mar 22, 2016. 8 Replies

Day FourGod's Way - Not in Religious RitesRomans 2:25-29 OK, so a person must do what the Bible says to do. Here's one, circumcision. Here's another one, baptism. And then there's partaking of the Lord's Supper and going to church every Sunday. These are God's way. Right?Right, these are outer acts of obedience. But they must match up with what is on the inside of a person. If a person obeys God on the inside, the outer acts of obedience are good. If not, they don't count.And what about the…Continue

Day Three God's Way - Not in Listening to the Law

Started by Phred St Laurent. Last reply by Janice S. Garey Feb 9, 2016. 10 Replies

Day ThreeGod's Way - Not in Listening to the LawRomans 2:13-24 You would think that if a person listened to the law or the Bible, he would find God's way. There are churches all over the world full of people who have listened to the Bible all their lives. They think they know God's way, but they are not doers of God's Word. In order to find God's way, we must do what the Bible says.Some people do not have the law and yet they do it. Others have the law and know it well, but they do not do it.…Continue

Day Two God's Way - Not in Judging Others

Started by Phred St Laurent. Last reply by Ray Geide Feb 2, 2016. 13 Replies

Day TwoGod's Way - Not in Judging OthersRomans 2:1-12Human Judgment (1-5)Why do we judge and find fault with other people? Is it because it makes us feel as if we know God's way? Is it that we think we know better than God? Is it that we think that God doesn't know how to judge? This is a problem. God is the Judge. Our judging ends our search for God's way before it even starts. Who are we to judge? Look at what this passage says about the person who judges. Read Romans 2:1-5 in your Bible and…Continue

Day One Good News for Everyone

Started by Phred St Laurent. Last reply by Angela Hohn Mar 22, 2016. 28 Replies

Day OneGood News for EveryoneRomans 1:13-17An Obligation (13-15)Like Paul, I am obligated to share a certain bit of good news with you in these seven lessons. Please carefully read them and think about the good news they tell. Read Romans 1:13-15 in your Bible and then in the Breakthrough Version. Translation Note (v13): Gentile = non-JewTranslation Note (v15): preach is a word that has changed since it was selected to be in the English Bible hundreds of years ago. Back then it meant to speak…Continue

The Study (Instructions are here)

Started by Phred St Laurent. Last reply by Theresa Haskins Jan 28, 2016. 26 Replies

First you will want to email Ray Geide (the author) and request a copy of the bible...ray@breakthroughversion.com Let him know that you are ready to participate... places are limited.Also you could just use this study guide (attached to this discussion)He will send you a copy.Then there are 7 studies to do, in the discussions here.I will actually create each of the 7 discussions and when you complete one, leave comments and questions for Ray on that discussion.Seven Days in Search of God's…Continue

What is this Bible?

Started by Phred St Laurent. Last reply by Angela Hohn Mar 22, 2016. 1 Reply

Bibles should not be MisleadingPeople assume that the Bible tells the same message as it did hundreds of years ago. It doesn’t. It’s words are the same, but they have changed in meaning.English is constantly changing. Hundreds of years ago when English Bibles were first written, believe used to mean trust. Today it doesn't. Reward used to mean pay. Today it doesn't. There are hundreds more.…Continue

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Comment by Ray Geide on February 2, 2016 at 12:01am

When you receive your book, you may begin. Proceed through the above lessons at your own pace. You can read the introductory sections "What is this Bible" and "The Study". Then go through each lesson from Day One to Day Seven. Leave a comment if you wish. Thank you for your participation.

Comment by Rita on February 1, 2016 at 11:23pm
I am totally confused I did receive my bible and no further emails and I am not sure when or where to begin at in this study? Could done one please give me done direction on how?

Thank you
Comment by Steve Hilton on February 1, 2016 at 1:47pm

Thank you for clarifying that, Ray.

Comment by Ray Geide on February 1, 2016 at 11:14am

The KJV also uses italics. A word is italicized because it is not in the Greek text. It is added by the translator.

Comment by Steve Hilton on February 1, 2016 at 5:50am

And I apologize for the errors in the previous post; I tried to cut and paste, and some of the words didn't come out as they should.  I know that God is supposed to be capitalized, for instance.  

Comment by Steve Hilton on February 1, 2016 at 5:49am

I'm really enjoying the Breakthrough Bible.  Having grown up with the KJV, I don't have as much a problem with some of the words.  But the new translation is forcing me to "slow down," and breaks up the "litany" of the KJV.  Where I have many "expressions" so ingrained that I simply "supply the words," without thinking about it . . . now I have to "break my thought patterns" in order to engage the new translation.

The translation notes on the Greek word for "repentance" is timely food for thought, and spot on.  So often we associate "repentance" with the emotional aspect of our makeup; the Breakthrough Bible puts it where it belongs, in the mental aspect.  It's not a change of heart, or a change of feelings - it's a change of mind.  And that requires active participation on the part of the reader.  Emotions change effortlessly (as we all are aware!) depending upon the circumstances.  The change of mind requires effort, an effort of the will.

For me, in verse 4, the breakthrough bible seems to weaken the case that Paul is making.  The one who is judging others, and doing the same things himself, isn’t simply ignoring the wealth of his kindness, self-restraint, and lengthy patience . . . He is “actively turning his mind against it;” despising (a la KJV & HCSB).  Many of these obsolete words are really not so obsolete.  The greek root for “despise,” or “ignore,” is φρήν.  AnEnglish transliteration is “phren.” It refers to “a curb,” or “midrif,”  a partition of the body.  The brain is characterized as having “divisions,” “curbs,” etc.  And the occult practice of “phrenology” (where one “reads” the bumps on one’s head in order to divine one’s future) is still prevalent today.  Scary.  Sorry for the rabbit trail.

 

The Greek word for mind comes from this root, however.  It is φρονέω

And is translated, “to exercise the mind.”  And where the breakthrough bible has “ignore,” the actual Greek word is katafronew which puts the Greek preposition kata (down, down from, down upon, or against) in front of the root.  The resulting compound word is stronger than “ignore;” it is an active hindering of one’s appropriate mental responses to the wealth of god’s kindness, self-restraint, and lengthy patience.

 

It is recognizing god’s grace and mercy, and turning one’s mental “nose” up at it.  It’s literally “thumbing one’s mental nose” at god’s grace and mercy.

Comment by Steve Hilton on February 1, 2016 at 5:08am

Ray, would you please clarify something that's been puzzling me.  I may have missed your explanation in the foreword of the Breakthrough Bible.  In the text of the Breakthrough Bible, there are many instances of italicized words.  What is the significance of the italics?

Comment by Ray Geide on January 30, 2016 at 12:58pm

Welcome everyone. Come on in. When you receive your book, you may begin. Proceed through the above lessons at your own pace. Leave a comment if you wish. Thank you for your participation.

Comment by Phred St Laurent on January 30, 2016 at 7:57am

Read the instructions, email Ray, the author, and you should be good to go...

Comment by Joy Hannabass on January 30, 2016 at 1:42am
I have my NT Bible and can't wait to start this! I think it will be interesting!
Blessings
Joy
 

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